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hello

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and welcome to episode number 61 of the

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point of convergence podcast

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as always i am your host exo academian

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in recent years numerous accounts

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involving the ufo phenomenon have been

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made public that contain a broad

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assortment of bizarre

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paradigm stretching and for many

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credibility challenging elements of

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so-called high strangeness

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i.e elements that seem to contradict our

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consensus understanding of what is

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possible

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recent books such as skinwalkers at the

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pentagon

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have helped to turn the spotlight on

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these colorizing elements of

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paranormality that tend to emerge

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alongside standard ufo sightings

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now some might look at these recent

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revelations and wonder if perhaps these

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elements are only now being presented

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because paranormality has become in

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vogue so to speak

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in other words skeptics might look at

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these recent revelations and suggest

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ufology has become corrupted by the

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imagination of our time

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as if people's reports have become

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sprinkled with elements they internalize

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while watching too much netflix or

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something of the sort

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but the truth is these elements of high

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strangeness are not new

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not in the slightest the truth is that

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the reason we see more reporting of

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these elements today is because there is

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less repression of these elements and

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these particular encounters by the

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ufological gatekeepers who historically

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wanted to present a cohesive nuts and

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bolts narrative so as to garner the

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attention and they hoped respect of the

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scientific mainstream

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in other words historically ufologists

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themselves often censored elements of

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high strangeness in the data that was

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but again these reports have always

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existed

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paranormality and ufos go together like

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ocean and sand

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in other words not only do they simply

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coexist together but they seem to be

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directly linked in some kind of causal

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chain

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even if the specifics have long eluded

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the grasp of researchers and theorists

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alike the curious encounters of a french

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man who in order to maintain his privacy

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came to be referred to simply as dr x is

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a perfect case in point

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this case is from the late 1960s long

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before the current eras focus on high

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strangeness

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and yet it has it all physical healing

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the spontaneous appearance of triangular

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casting poltergeist and hitchhiker

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effects multi-generational impacts etc

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what are we to make of this bizarre menu

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of elements that seem to effectively

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turn on their head almost all of our

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modern notions as to how reality is

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do these elements merely demonstrate the

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impressive capabilities of a more

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sophisticated extraterrestrial

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or do they perhaps provide hints

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regarding an origin for some of these

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mysterious others that flies in the face

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of the standard hypotheses put forth to

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make sense of this phenomenon

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these are the very matters we'll seek to

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explore

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in this the 61st episode of the point of

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now as we consider this case the case of

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i want you to keep in mind other cases

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what do the cases have in common and

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what elements are different

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and overarchingly how are we to make

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sense of these encounters

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considering they often fly in the face

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of our mainstream physicalist

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interpretation of what can happen in

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reality whenever we discuss the

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specifics of these particular cases my

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goal is for all of us to keep in mind

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the overarching questions what is this

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saying about reality itself and our

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conception of it

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now one of the reasons why i like this

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case is because it has many of the

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elements of high strangeness that are so

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often front and center in this

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phenomenon

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but even more specifically i like this

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case because it has been vouched for and

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researched by people like jacques valet

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and his colleague amy michelle who was

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actually the person who interacted with

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dr x specifically when these events

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happened in the late 1960s

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so let's get right to this case here's

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the general overview

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in the fall of 1968 a 38 year old french

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physician

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observed two luminous objects outside a

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window

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and they later merged into one object

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now these very specifically looked like

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objects actual three-dimensional objects

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in the sky not just lights

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then they disappeared from the scene

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after they had merged into one in a

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flash and a puff as it were but we'll

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now interestingly one of the effects of

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this encounter was that this physician

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this dr x was healed of not one but two

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serious injuries

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following his encounter with these ufos

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and subsequently experienced years of

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anomalous experiences that seemed linked

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to this initial sighting

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now as i said this account is documented

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by the famous french ufologist amy

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michelle

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who is a colleague of our favorite

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ufologist jacques vallet

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now i already mentioned that there are

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healings involved in this case

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specifically dr x had muscle problems

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and a limp in one leg following the

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suffering of an injury which involved

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him stepping on a land mine during the

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algerian war a decade previous to this

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encounter with this ufo

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his second injury was much more recent

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and was result of a self-inflicted

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injury to his ankle as a result of an

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axe slipping while he was cutting wood

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resulting in swelling and a fairly

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serious hematoma thus he found walking

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and even standing difficult at this

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point just prior to this encounter

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get to the encounter itself

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just several days following the wood

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dr x awoke to the sound of his young son

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calling him from his bedroom

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when he went to investigate he found his

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son jumping up and down excitedly on his

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bed pointing towards the window while

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mentioning something about a bright

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outside a storm was raging at this point

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with heavy wind and rain and what the

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incident with amy michelle

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the doctor realized that there were no

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corresponding sounds of thunder that

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would have been present were these

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flashes of actual lightning

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intervals suggesting something more than

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now while up the doctor heard what

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sounded like a shutter that had come

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loose in the storm so after tucking his

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son back into bed with a glass of water

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he went to investigate this slamming

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sound where he thought a shutter was

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slamming against the house perhaps it

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had come loose during the storm

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while he went to investigate he saw

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through the window that these flashes of

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light were happening again like i said

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regularly and he realized it was at

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about a one second interval

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and it appeared to be the same color as

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that of the full moon

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these flashes would extend for about two

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and a half miles however no source for

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the light flashes was seen

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he then went downstairs to pour himself

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a glass of water and noted at that time

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that the kitchen clock read 3 55 am

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then looking at his twin french windows

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in his living room the doctor spotted

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two identical luminous objects hovering

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over the valley just over a mile away

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now they were moving in an eastward

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direction each shining down a bright

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at this point he was seeing them in

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profile at which point they appeared

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elliptical in shape with two distinct

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the upper part was colored white almost

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like the color of the moon while the

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lower section was a deep red

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each object contained three antenna-like

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the lower section also seemed to have a

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distinct bulging section from which the

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beams of light originated again he's

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through the antenna of each object

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another flash passed between the two

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objects leading dr x to surmise that

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perhaps the craft were drawing

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refueling as it were that's what it

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now eventually the two objects move

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closer together until they seemingly

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merged seamlessly into a single object

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of the same general shape but now larger

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from there the doctor was surprised to

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find the now single anomalous object

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approaching him it started moving

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towards him and eventually it stopped

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only a few hundred feet from where he

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stood watching in awe

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from this closer vantage point the

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doctor felt he could discern a

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metal-like superstructure at least from

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the bottom section of this ufo and he

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sensed that the metal was lit from

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he also noticed different sections 11

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sections in fact in total on this object

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as well as moving lines

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along the outside of the object

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then the object tilted on its side

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suddenly and simultaneously directed its

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large energy beam directly onto the

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beam as this object over top of him

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tilted to its side

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then to the doctor's shock and surprise

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as if he wasn't already shocked and

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surprised a loud booming cracking sound

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was heard to mark the moment when the

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ufo seemingly dematerialized that's the

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word he used dematerialized

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instantaneously

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leaving behind a cloud which quickly

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floated away

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he could then see what looked to be a

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thin luminous line that extended from

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where the ufo had been

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to a point of light far far above

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presumably the new location of the ufo

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suggesting it had moved away at an

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incredible rate of speed

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he then heard a second crack or bang and

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all trace of the object was gone

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now back inside still in a state of

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shock the doctor noted that the kitchen

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clock now read 405 am

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remember earlier on he noted it said 3

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55 am so not that much time has elapsed

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only about 10 minutes

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now because he didn't want to forget a

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single element of what he just

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experienced this is like nothing else

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he'd ever experienced in his life of

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course

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the doctor immediately took out some

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paper and began taking notes and drawing

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sketches of the objects and object he

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had seen and heard

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next he went back up to his bedroom and

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awoke his wife to share the experience

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with her

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seeing him she immediately noticed that

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he was no longer walking with a limp

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now when he examined his leg he was

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shocked to see that his injury had

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virtually disappeared leaving only the

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faintest scar and the swelling and pain

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had completely and suddenly subsided

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remember he had two injuries one that he

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endured during the war which led to his

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limp and a more recent injury where he

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entered his ankle with the axe

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both of these injuries were completely

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healed he walked without a limp he had

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no pain he had full muscle function for

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the first time in a decade since the

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time he had the accident in the algerian

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war

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now after their excited conversation he

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and his wife the doctor finally calmed

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down enough to fall back to sleep but

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then of course it was into the morning

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hours of the next day it was at that

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time that his wife heard him for the

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first time she could ever remember

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talking in his sleep now he said many

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things but one distinct sentence struck

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her when he was heard proclaiming

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contact will be reestablished by falling

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down the stairs on november 2nd

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let me say that one more time she heard

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him say in his sleep contact will be

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re-established by falling down the

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stairs on november 2nd now perhaps she

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thought this was gobbly nonsense

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doesn't make a lot of sense out of

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context

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it will make sense once you hear what

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happens

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now the doctor continued to sleep well

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into the next day

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into the afternoon hours indeed and his

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wife continued to hear him talking in

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his sleep throughout those hours of

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sleep

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the next day when he finally did awake

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his wife bridged the topic of the

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previous night's slash early morning ufo

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encounter

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now what's weird here is

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at this point the doctor looked at her

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dumbfounded

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he had no idea what she was referring to

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perplexed and somewhat worried she

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showed him the notes and drawings he had

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made the previous night were talking

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only one night previous before he went

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to sleep

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at that point the doctor's jaw dropped

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because he recognized these drawings and

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these notes as being his own handwriting

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but he had no recollection at all of

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making the notes nor the events which

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inspired them

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then as it turns out his sleep talk that

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i mentioned and that strange phrase he

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muttered turned into a form of

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precognition future casting

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because later that day he did indeed

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fall down the stairs leading into his

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living room and he banged his head on

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the ground

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and upon doing so suddenly full recall

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of the ufo encounter came back to him

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he remembered everything suddenly

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everything that his wife was saying

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suddenly made sense because he could

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remember it again and of course that

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completely suggests that what he was

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muttering in his sleep ended up coming

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true that the contact or in this case

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recall of the event came back to him

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when he hit his head

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now it's important to note here that his

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wife had not told him about what she'd

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heard him saying in his sleep so he had

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no notion of this suggestion that

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falling down the stairs and then banging

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his head as it turns out would create

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this recall

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it was only after the fall down the

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stairs that she was struck by the

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coincidence and decided to share what

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she had heard him saying in his sleep

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the previous night

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by the way the doctor described feeling

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as if an invisible hook had manifested

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between his leg and that caused his fall

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so he's basically tripped by some sort

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of

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physical manifestation between his legs

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that made him collapse

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very very strange

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now at the urging of his wife the doctor

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decided to contact famed french

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ufologist amy michelle who we've already

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mentioned a colleague of jacques valet

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upon arriving at their house three days

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later

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michelle noted that the doctor seemed

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still to be in a state of ontological

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shock regarding the nature of his

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experience

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again this was three days previous now

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again this is not surprising so often

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this is front and center with this

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00:16:09,269 --> 00:16:07,360
phenomenon people are struck by how

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00:16:10,230 --> 00:16:09,279
something has seemingly happened to them

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that they

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know happened they know it's not just

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delusion

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and yet it doesn't fit with our

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understanding of what can happen in

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00:16:22,069 --> 00:16:19,600
reality thus people feel this strange

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00:16:23,990 --> 00:16:22,079
cognitive dissonance

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now while his leg and muscle injuries

430
00:16:28,069 --> 00:16:25,839
were completely healed

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00:16:30,790 --> 00:16:28,079
on this day the doctor began to feel a

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cramping pain around his navel so this

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is a new physiological symptom he

434
00:16:37,509 --> 00:16:35,279
suddenly started feeling when

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00:16:40,069 --> 00:16:37,519
amy michelle arrived on the scene again

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three days after the original sighting

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00:16:45,030 --> 00:16:42,800
now this sensation on his navel

438
00:16:47,110 --> 00:16:45,040
eventually evolved into an itching and a

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prickling sensation

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00:16:52,870 --> 00:16:50,240
then on november 13th the doctor had

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another dream in which he saw a triangle

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00:16:58,389 --> 00:16:55,279
appear along with the ufo he had seen

443
00:17:00,710 --> 00:16:58,399
previously now soon after that pain on

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00:17:03,350 --> 00:17:00,720
his navel that prickling feeling that

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00:17:06,710 --> 00:17:03,360
itching feeling resolved into the shape

446
00:17:08,870 --> 00:17:06,720
of a perfect isosceles triangle that was

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00:17:11,189 --> 00:17:08,880
visible on his skin to himself and

448
00:17:13,590 --> 00:17:11,199
everyone else and this looked exactly

449
00:17:15,829 --> 00:17:13,600
like the object he'd seen in his dream

450
00:17:18,789 --> 00:17:15,839
the triangle he had seen in his dream

451
00:17:20,549 --> 00:17:18,799
alongside the ufo at this point there

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00:17:22,949 --> 00:17:20,559
was no more pain where the triangle

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00:17:24,949 --> 00:17:22,959
appeared and when he saw a dermatologist

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he had no explanation

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now michelle a pragmatic man suggested

456
00:17:32,549 --> 00:17:30,480
perhaps the mark was of psychosomatic

457
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origin in other words he was causing it

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00:17:36,630 --> 00:17:34,960
with his mind somehow by worrying about

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00:17:38,549 --> 00:17:36,640
these things or something

460
00:17:41,830 --> 00:17:38,559
but then to everyone including

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00:17:44,470 --> 00:17:41,840
michelle's surprise an identical mark

462
00:17:47,990 --> 00:17:44,480
appeared in the same location on the

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couple's young sun the very next day

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this was the same son who had first

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awoken the doctor after having seen

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lights outside his window

467
00:17:59,190 --> 00:17:56,799
now for two years following this this

468
00:18:01,909 --> 00:17:59,200
strange biological mark manifested on

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00:18:04,630 --> 00:18:01,919
the doctor's body about every three

470
00:18:07,190 --> 00:18:04,640
weeks and would then show up on his son

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00:18:10,150 --> 00:18:07,200
approximately 12 hours later

472
00:18:12,070 --> 00:18:10,160
the marks would then fade later

473
00:18:15,909 --> 00:18:12,080
this actually continued to happen the

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less regularly for the next 20 years so

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00:18:20,230 --> 00:18:17,760
we talk about people having paranormal

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00:18:22,470 --> 00:18:20,240
effects after these kinds of encounters

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in the case of dr x it went on for

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decades

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now on top of that various bizarre

480
00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:29,039
synchronicities continued to arise in

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the months and years following that

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00:18:35,350 --> 00:18:33,120
initial encounter

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00:18:38,150 --> 00:18:35,360
one particularly strange one involved

484
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amy michelle and the doctor

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michelle had a particular melody that

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00:18:44,549 --> 00:18:41,840
wasn't all that familiar to him

487
00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:44,559
beforehand stuck in his head on this one

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particular week that winter

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the same time frame as when the initial

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experience happened

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now when michelle met up with a doctor

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after the doctor had been through a

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hypnosis session

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he noticed the doctor seemed tense and

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he suggested that the doctor play piano

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which tend to calm him down and he was a

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very accomplished pianist

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now the doctor agreed and acting on the

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00:19:13,990 --> 00:19:10,880
suggestion proceeded to start playing

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this very strange melody the same one

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that had been stuck in michelle's head

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all week long

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now michelle had no other recollection

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of having heard that tune during the

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time period leading up to this strangely

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00:19:29,350 --> 00:19:27,679
synchronous event but the doctor dr x

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who had not been around michelle that

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00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:32,000
week said he'd been practicing that song

509
00:19:35,669 --> 00:19:33,760
all week long

510
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so notice the synchronicity here these

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two were not together and yet on the one

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hand dr x was practicing this song on

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the piano a song that was not known to

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amy michelle and separately in a

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different location amy michelle was

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surprised to find this melody kept

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coming up in his mind all week long the

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same time frame as dr x was practicing

519
00:20:00,870 --> 00:19:57,760
this song and then when they got

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00:20:04,149 --> 00:20:00,880
together to his surprise amy michelle

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00:20:06,149 --> 00:20:04,159
finds dr x playing this very song on the

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piano that's exactly the kind of

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00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:08,559
synchronicities that happen in this case

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00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:10,880
time and time again and tend to happen

525
00:20:15,990 --> 00:20:13,760
with this phenomenon time and time again

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even people who had no experience with a

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00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:18,480
ufo or alien beings or anything of the

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00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:21,520
sort can still get drawn into it merely

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by being in contact or association with

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the people who did have the contact

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00:20:29,909 --> 00:20:28,320
experience

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now here we should make clear that this

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00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:31,679
kind of synchronicity did not just

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00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:34,159
happen between a doctor and his wife and

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00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:36,159
someone like amy michelle

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00:20:40,149 --> 00:20:38,240
but various people that the doctor and

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00:20:42,789 --> 00:20:40,159
his wife knew began to experience

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00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:42,799
strange synchronicities around them or

539
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:44,799
in connection with them and again here

540
00:20:49,029 --> 00:20:47,039
we're reminded of more recent events

541
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:49,039
depicted in a book like skinwalkers at

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00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:50,320
the pentagon

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which i mentioned in the introduction

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having to do with what has been termed a

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kind of social contagion

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00:21:00,630 --> 00:20:58,880
where it appears that even being

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00:21:03,430 --> 00:21:00,640
socially linked to someone who

548
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:03,440
experiences a ufo or co-arising

549
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:06,400
anomalous phenomena can seemingly become

550
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:08,720
the triggering event which spreads to

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00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:10,080
others

552
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:12,320
now we might ask is this a form of

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00:21:17,430 --> 00:21:14,240
energy now associated with the

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00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:17,440
individual that can be caught as it were

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00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:19,200
or is it perhaps even a kind of

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00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:22,240
biological contagion like a virus

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00:21:27,029 --> 00:21:24,880
there seem to be cases where people even

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00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:27,039
who haven't been in actual physical

559
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:30,720
proximity can still catch this from each

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00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:31,520
other

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00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:34,000
suggesting the social connection alone

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00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:35,760
can become the pathway through which

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00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:39,520
this contagion can and does travel so

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let's make that really clear

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00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:43,039
in skill markers at the pentagon we have

566
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:46,159
cases where someone would see a ufo or a

567
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:48,480
skin walker or some sort of strange

568
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:51,600
entity while on the ranch in utah and

569
00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:54,480
then fly back home and then relatives

570
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:57,039
friends and associates colleagues of

571
00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:58,640
these people who had these initial

572
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:00,640
encounters would then begin to

573
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:02,880
experience high strangeness themselves

574
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:05,120
sometimes it was the sons the daughters

575
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:07,679
the wives the husbands sometimes even

576
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:09,600
cousins or people that lived on the same

577
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:12,799
street again it seems that it's not just

578
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:15,760
having been in actual physical proximity

579
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:17,440
like how you would pass a biological

580
00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:20,159
virus but that even somehow the social

581
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:22,480
connection or the mental overlay we

582
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:24,880
might even say between these people the

583
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:26,640
consciousness of these two people was

584
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:30,240
enough for this kind of viral entity to

585
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:33,039
pass over from one person to another

586
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:35,280
now the implications there are certainly

587
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:37,840
no less than paradigm shattering i'm

588
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:40,000
sure you'll agree again for many it's

589
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:42,480
just too bizarre to reckon with many

590
00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:45,120
will just reject it out of hand because

591
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:47,360
again it flies in the face of what we

592
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:48,640
understand

593
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,120
can happen with reality and yet as i've

594
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:53,280
said numerous times on this podcast

595
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:55,200
that's not how we should make sense of

596
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:57,679
these things we don't exclude data or

597
00:23:02,390 --> 00:23:00,400
ignore data or repress data certainly

598
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:02,400
not delete data just because it doesn't

599
00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:04,559
fit with our prevailing paradigm

600
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:06,960
if there is outlier data that seems to

601
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:09,520
question our notion of reality we should

602
00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:11,760
let it be we should collect more and

603
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:14,080
more and perhaps that will lead to a

604
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:16,240
revolution of sorts in terms of our

605
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:19,039
understanding of what reality actually

606
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:20,080
is

607
00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:22,880
more on that later now the doctor and

608
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:25,120
his wife also experienced strange

609
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:27,919
electrical surges and outages in their

610
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:31,280
home following this event and strangely

611
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,960
when the electric company was brought in

612
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:34,559
to investigate

613
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:36,640
while they too noticed the anomalies

614
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:38,559
they could find no source for the

615
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:40,400
arising of these anomalies the

616
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:42,400
electricity would go on and off

617
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:44,640
seemingly arbitrarily they couldn't make

618
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:46,960
heads or tails of it and one of these

619
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:48,640
electricians that worked for the

620
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:51,039
government entity that was investigating

621
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:53,039
this said believe it or not that they

622
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:54,960
believed the house was probably haunted

623
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:57,600
and the couple should just move

624
00:24:02,470 --> 00:23:59,760
now the doctor and his wife also noted

625
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:02,480
various poltergeist phenomena including

626
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:04,559
various household objects that seem to

627
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:07,120
randomly move by themselves or they

628
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:08,720
would find them in places that neither

629
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,200
one of them moved them to

630
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:13,360
in addition to that an old mechanical

631
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:16,080
clock started behaving strangely falling

632
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:19,120
several hours behind on occasion

633
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:21,600
now this next element is truly shocking

634
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,679
and surprising and again many people

635
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:25,679
will reject it outright because it goes

636
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:28,080
against our normal understanding of what

637
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:29,679
can happen

638
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:31,520
but before i share it i want to remind

639
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:34,080
you that before these incidences before

640
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,320
this initial encounter with these two

641
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:38,880
ufos that turned into one

642
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:41,679
this doctor was a straight shooting

643
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:43,919
mild-mannered physician who didn't look

644
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:45,840
for attention he was known for his

645
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:47,919
clarity of critical thinking skills and

646
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:50,720
a lack of fanciful imagination this is

647
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:52,159
not the kind of person that makes this

648
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:54,480
stuff up or even thinks about it or is

649
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:56,559
even interested in it we need to

650
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:58,720
remember that because people often

651
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:01,360
assume this is just happening to people

652
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:03,760
who tend towards these things already

653
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:06,400
they do not often it happens to people

654
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:08,080
who've never even thought about these

655
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:10,400
things never considered them at all

656
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:13,120
no contemplation beforehand whatsoever

657
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:15,200
that was certainly the case with dr x

658
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:17,120
and his wife

659
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:18,720
this is what happened

660
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:21,360
on numerous occasions after the incident

661
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:23,760
of seeing the initial ufos

662
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:26,640
he reported incidences of spontaneous

663
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,760
levitation where he would float 20 feet

664
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,840
or more into the air

665
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:33,840
and in one specific case he happened to

666
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:36,720
have fly paper stuck on his hand and

667
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:39,440
when he levitated to the ceiling 20 feet

668
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:41,760
up he took this fly paper and stuck it

669
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:43,279
to the ceiling so he could show it to

670
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:45,600
amy michelle later on

671
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:47,760
so again just try and imagine this

672
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:49,679
person who is mild-mannered

673
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:51,440
not prone to this kind of thinking not

674
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:53,919
prone to talking or thinking about ufos

675
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:55,760
at all certainly not thinking about

676
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:58,080
paranormality and suddenly after an

677
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:00,080
encounter like this he's doing things

678
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:02,640
like floating up to the ceiling

679
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:05,840
on another occasion later on he started

680
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:07,840
hearing a voice that on numerous

681
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:10,400
occasions informed him that something

682
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:11,760
anomalous

683
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:13,919
of significance would happen on the

684
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:16,640
one-year anniversary of that initial

685
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:18,320
encounter

686
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:20,240
now because of this the doctor and his

687
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:23,279
wife invited amy michelle and his wife

688
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:25,919
to spend that anniversary evening with

689
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:26,799
them

690
00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:28,640
and at the same time he had their young

691
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:31,039
son taken to the grandparents house so

692
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:33,200
the young son was at the grandparents

693
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:35,200
while amy michelle and his wife came to

694
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:36,640
spend the evening

695
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:39,440
with dr x and his wife on the one year

696
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:41,919
anniversary of that initial sighting and

697
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:43,520
encounter

698
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:45,840
now upon arriving at the scene at the

699
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:46,799
house

700
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:48,880
amy michelle asked if there were any

701
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:51,360
unusual markings on the doctor's body at

702
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:54,159
that moment to mark the occasion so to

703
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:55,120
speak

704
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:57,520
the doctor showed him there were not

705
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:58,720
however

706
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:00,640
later that night sensing something

707
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:03,600
coming over him the doctor stood up

708
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:06,559
saying it's here it's beginning again

709
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:08,799
and upon lifting his shirt they could

710
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:12,000
all see a precisely defined triangle

711
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:14,720
trace itself that very moment onto the

712
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:17,679
surface of the doctor's abdomen again at

713
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:20,960
that very moment and earlier on when amy

714
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:22,960
michelle looked there was nothing there

715
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,360
on the abdomen it happened in real time

716
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,360
while they were all there and very

717
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:29,600
importantly the doctor sensed it he

718
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:32,080
sensed something coming over him just as

719
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:34,399
it began and that's what made him stand

720
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:36,640
up and lift up his shirt to begin with

721
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:39,600
again shocking and fascinating

722
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:42,240
now interestingly even though they had

723
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:43,679
sent their son to spend the night with

724
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:45,679
the grandparents like i said

725
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:48,159
they later found out that the very same

726
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:50,720
mark had appeared yet again on the son's

727
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:53,039
abdomen even though he wasn't even at

728
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:55,360
the same location of course as the

729
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:57,039
doctor and his wife

730
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,399
the grandmother was actually quite

731
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:00,480
distraught because she noticed this mark

732
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:02,480
on the young boy and wondered what was

733
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:03,600
going on

734
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:05,600
now interestingly while the doctor

735
00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:09,120
didn't recall alien beings or abductions

736
00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:10,880
like they're often depicted

737
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:14,000
his son experienced insomnia of a pretty

738
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,440
extreme degree

739
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:17,520
following this most recent case of the

740
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:19,840
triangle mark on his body

741
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:22,159
and he was known as often telling his

742
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:24,960
classmates that at night he would go off

743
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:28,080
into the big red machine in the sky the

744
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:30,000
one that made the loud noises and the

745
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:31,919
flashes of light

746
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:34,320
so even though the doctor himself

747
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:36,720
doesn't remember being abducted or taken

748
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:38,080
into a craft

749
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:40,960
the son clearly is having experiences

750
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:42,640
that suggest that is what is happening

751
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:45,200
that a more classical abduction case is

752
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:47,520
happening with the sun so once again as

753
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:49,440
i mentioned in the introduction

754
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:52,240
we have a multi-generational incident

755
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:54,480
here this is very common that this

756
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:56,799
happens across bloodlines sometimes over

757
00:29:02,149 --> 00:29:00,159
three or four generations at this point

758
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:02,159
now we've often discussed the matter of

759
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:04,720
how these seemingly otherworldly events

760
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:06,399
change people

761
00:29:10,830 --> 00:29:08,720
in the case of the doctor and his wife

762
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:10,840
they went on to develop a renewed

763
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:13,600
appreciation for life and its deep

764
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:14,799
mysteries

765
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:17,120
and they both became deeply spiritual

766
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:18,080
people

767
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:20,000
both coming to recognize the great

768
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:21,520
wonder of it all

769
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:24,080
and while he was initially set back by

770
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:26,480
the ontological shock he was quite put

771
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:28,640
off by the experience

772
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:31,279
they both began to eventually come to

773
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:33,840
see it as wondrous and they were okay

774
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:36,000
with not fully understanding it but they

775
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:37,840
knew it was somehow something

776
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:39,039
awesome

777
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:42,080
amazing and world changing and of course

778
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:44,559
we should not forget that he was healed

779
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,720
pretty profoundly as a result of this

780
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:48,480
experience

781
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:50,960
now in a much later interview the doctor

782
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:53,520
also described being sometimes visited

783
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:56,159
over the years by a man who never seemed

784
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:59,120
to age so he would see him only after

785
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:01,279
numerous years had gone by but even

786
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:03,440
though the doctor had aged this man he

787
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:05,840
met up with never seemed to age

788
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:07,840
and after his encounters with this

789
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:10,159
mysterious figure the doctor would note

790
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:12,960
that he had experienced missing time

791
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:14,880
again of course another common data

792
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:17,919
point of the ufo abduction phenomenon

793
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:19,200
even though some elements don't

794
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:21,520
completely line up with what we think of

795
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:23,440
as abduction

796
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:25,520
now as i mentioned amy michelle was the

797
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:28,320
person who documented most of this case

798
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:29,919
it became well known because jacques

799
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:32,399
villa picked up on the case he recounted

800
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:35,200
the doctor's case in passport to madonia

801
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:37,200
as well as in later books and it's

802
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:38,640
because of this that this case has

803
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:41,279
become part of the worldwide ufological

804
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,240
lore

805
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,640
even though often it's not spoken about

806
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:46,320
as much as i wish it was because it

807
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:48,880
truly is an outstanding case it's well

808
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:51,760
documented it was looked into by very

809
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:54,080
credible ufologists and we have all the

810
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:56,480
elements of high strangeness happening

811
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:58,720
in one encounter

812
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:00,799
now as i mentioned in the introduction

813
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:03,039
while many people might assume skeptics

814
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:05,760
might assume that the more paranormal

815
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:08,480
elements of these more recent encounters

816
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:10,880
are perhaps a byproduct of overactive

817
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:13,200
imaginations who've consumed too much

818
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:14,640
sci-fi

819
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:16,320
cases like this remind us that this has

820
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,480
been happening for a very long time

821
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:20,880
as long as ufology has been a thing

822
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:22,960
these kinds of events have been going on

823
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:24,640
that involve elements of high

824
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:27,120
strangeness and of course following the

825
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:29,519
work of people like chocolate we're very

826
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:31,360
aware that this kind of thing's been

827
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:33,919
happening long before modern ufology

828
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:35,840
that when we look at fairy lore when we

829
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:37,840
look at religious experiences many of

830
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:40,080
the same elements are in play

831
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:42,399
so perhaps this is pointing to something

832
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:44,799
that's been going on all along basically

833
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:46,399
as long as our species

834
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:48,799
has been around

835
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:50,799
now when we step back and reflect on

836
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:51,919
this case

837
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:54,399
while some of the details are unique

838
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:56,480
many of the key data points are quite

839
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:57,840
familiar

840
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:00,640
missing time memory manipulation

841
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:02,559
physiological effects

842
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:04,080
time distortion

843
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:06,799
future telling healing

844
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:09,039
contact that reaches across generations

845
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:10,799
in a single bloodline

846
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:12,559
poltergeist phenomena

847
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synchronicities to the extreme and even

848
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paranormal social contagion like we

849
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talked about

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00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:21,440
we also see as i just noted that people

851
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are often forever changed by these

852
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encounters and seemingly not just

853
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:28,640
because they're so bizarre but also

854
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because they often seem to have a

855
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built-in

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00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:33,919
element of primarily spiritual

857
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:36,399
existential relevance

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so much so that some have suggested that

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00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,440
these effects are perhaps more important

860
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:43,440
than the phenomena that gave rise to

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them in the first place

862
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:47,440
on the other hand in a case like this

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00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:50,159
one we see evidence of craft that seem

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to show evidence of an advanced kind of

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seemingly nuts and bolts technology with

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energy absorbing antenna and the like

867
00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:00,960
and of course this too is not all that

868
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unique

869
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:04,399
again with this phenomenon we frequently

870
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see the collapse of our usual

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categories of understanding

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or terms of differentiation like

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00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:13,919
spiritual versus technological

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00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:16,720
seem suddenly misguided and insufficient

875
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:18,960
in their usual function

876
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:21,840
if nothing else with this phenomenon we

877
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:24,720
frequently see evidence of both and

878
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:27,279
rather than either or

879
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:29,200
now ultimately what i would suggest to

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you

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as i have been for some time now on this

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podcast

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is that the implications arising from

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revelations pertaining to the ufo

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00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:40,000
phenomenon and forms of high strangeness

886
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:41,360
beyond that

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are pointing squarely to reality itself

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00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,960
and more specifically to our conception

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00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:48,320
of reality

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00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:50,000
i would suggest to you that it's not

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just our convenient distinctions like

892
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:55,039
technological versus spiritual that are

893
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:57,440
faulty but more generally even

894
00:34:01,990 --> 00:34:00,799
differentiations around physical versus

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00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:02,000
mental

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00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:03,840
i would go so far as to suggest that

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what this phenomenon is telling us is

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that reality itself does not exist as we

899
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,480
think it does

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00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:12,480
and that it is actually not really

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00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:15,359
primarily physical at all

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00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:16,879
in other words what we have is

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00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:19,520
gradations of what you might call mind

904
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:21,679
stuff though that will require some

905
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:23,839
unpacking in the weeks and months to

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00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:24,879
come

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00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:26,560
but i'm referring generally to

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00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:29,040
overlapping waves of what you might call

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00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:30,800
mental experience

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00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:33,119
suggesting our reality is more like a

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00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:35,440
shared collective dream which is

912
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:37,760
stubbornly convincing as primarily

913
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:40,000
physical because we experience it that

914
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:40,800
way

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00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:46,399
so long now that it's become ubiquitous

916
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:48,879
of course a dream feels fully physical

917
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:50,720
when you're within it because that is

918
00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:52,720
what dreamscapes are

919
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:55,280
fully immersive world spaces

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00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:56,800
now consider this

921
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:58,880
just as an alarm clock or the sound of

922
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:00,960
running water coming from outside a

923
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:03,760
dream can impact the world space within

924
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:05,760
the dream like you'll suddenly think

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00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:07,839
you're by a stream when you hear water

926
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:10,240
coming from outside the dream

927
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:13,040
so too can these others it would seem

928
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:15,680
enter into our shared dream space our

929
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:16,640
world

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and manifest qualities within it

931
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:21,200
even qualities that are fully

932
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:23,920
quantitative and thus measurable like

933
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:25,760
solid objects

934
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:28,000
what i'm referring to here is a model of

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00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:31,920
reality known as metaphysical idealism

936
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:33,680
and not only do i think it best fits

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00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:35,359
with the data we've seen arise from the

938
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,720
ufo phenomenon over many decades now

939
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,640
but i also think it clearly makes the

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00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:42,560
best sense of converging streams of

941
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:45,760
evidence arising in other fields such as

942
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:48,240
neuroscience and quantum mechanics as

943
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:50,720
i've touched on before

944
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:53,760
now again this is a lot to digest

945
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:55,359
rest assured that we will be breaking

946
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:57,280
this down in the weeks and months to

947
00:36:02,470 --> 00:35:59,839
come so bear with me there's a lot to

948
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:02,480
get to and much of it while very well

949
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:04,880
supported in terms of evidence does

950
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:06,800
often fly in the face of the way we've

951
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:09,680
been raised to think about reality

952
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:11,599
but this at least gives you some sense

953
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:13,760
of where we're headed and some sense of

954
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:15,839
what terrain will be traversing as we

955
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:18,640
continue to pursue clarity in this most

956
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:22,320
thorny but enthralling of topics

957
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:24,960
and on that note we've come to the close

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of another edition of the point of

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00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:28,560
convergence podcast

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00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:30,640
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961
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962
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but until next time friends from deep

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within the blue ridge mountains of north